I think this is pretty self-explanatory. Some things, like a marriage, are hard to undo. Or absolve. Or give up. Or...well...you tell me.
11:16 PM me: my teeth are chattering
i forgot to eat dinner
although i probably would have thrown up
because i've been throwing up since yesterday
David: hi
11:17 PM you've been throwing up because of our IM?
me: yes
i've been trying to process it
not very successfully
11:19 PM David:
i'm sitting here thinking of all these different things, and not sure
which to say, if any. I'm not even sure if I should be thinking that
you shouldnt be throwing up, because maybe that's just what you need to
do. I don't know. I feel bad it's happening, though.
11:20 PM me: i think i'm purging toxins from our relationship
today i was thinking that you don't even really "know" me
and that made me very very sad
11:22 PM David:
I think in some ways we both know each other very well, better than
anyone. In other ways I think maybe we've both been projecting our
needs on the other. But I think that's just what happens. It's how
human beings navigate the world.
me: hmmm. maybe.
11:23 PM i don't know if i completely agree with that.
David: do you think that you know me in ways that I don't know you?
me: no, not necessarily.
11:24 PM i just feel like somehow we never really got past our "ideas" of each other
11:26 PM David:
i think there's some truth to that. I remember many times when both of
us found our ideas of the other challenged in ways that felt really
scary.
me: yes
exactly
11:27 PM David:
someone once said to me that there are 4 people in any relationship:
you, the other person, your projection of who they are, and their
projection of who you are. And over time the projections become closer
and closer to the real person, but you can never know who the real
person is unless you are them.
me:
but i feel like in some ways it was you wanting your idea of me more
than actually knowing who i was really and perhaps some of the reverse
and that makes me really sad.
11:28 PM that i never actually even stood a chance because you didn't ever really know ME
that's an interesting analogy. i think there's truth in that
11:32 PM David:
I think I did start out wanting my idea of you a lot. We actually
talked about that--how I built up expectations about how physical and
sexual you were, for example, from stories you told me early on, and it
took me a long time to understand that those were the pre-thearapy Jen.
I also think you had a very strong vision of who I was, and honestly I
didn't in many ways. I had never done any therapy before I met you. So
for a lot of the early part of our relationship, I probably conformed
pretty closely to your vision, until I started feeling that that wasn't
who I was. That effort to break that pattern was a lot of what the
"every 6-9 months" thing was.
It's why I always would insist that I'm not "DearSweetDave".
11:33 PM But I wasn't conscious enough to understand that was what was happening. I only knew that I wasn't happy.
11:34 PM me: i'm so sorry
David:
But the more that I got to know who you really were, the more I loved
you for who you really were. It's just that for a life partner (and I'm
not even sure I want a life partner) it wasn't a fit.
11:35 PM me: that makes me so sad
David:
But I felt like I actually was seeing you more clearly than in the
beginning when things felt blissful, and really loved you more.
me: because i can't be anyone other than who i really and truly am
and i love you so much
11:36 PM David: no, I know that. and for years, I was trying to "fix" you, and "fix" me. How awful was that? And you were doing the same.
11:37 PM It's
hard to love someone and not be able to have them. There's a part of
love that's very selfless, and another part that's very needed, and the
two are very intertwined.
needy
I meant
11:38 PM the
fact is that I really would never want you to be anyone other than who
you are. I'm pretty sure I've said as much many times. I think you're
an amazing person, and the stuff I put you through to try to make you
conform to my needs was horrible.
11:39 PM But we both just really wanted to make it work.
me: we did.
11:40 PM i'm sobbing again
i'm not up for this
i'm sorry
i can't feel my fingers or my toes
David: it's okay. I understand.
me: my teeth are chattering
i had a seizure again last night
i'm just a fucking mess
11:41 PM and i also had this realization last night
that i could die here in this house
and it would be days before anyone noticed
and that made me really sad
i could disappear and no one would notice
for days
11:46 PM David:
Geoff Laughton left Cornerstones. There was a big gathering to
celebrate him, and all of these people said really heartfelt things
about how he had contributed their lives. It was pretty amazing. And
while we were sitting there, I thought of my own death, and wondered if
anyone, other than family, would show up, much less feel like I had
hand any sort of positive impact on them. I felt like if I died, maybe
no one would show up, and then I felt kind of sad. I also thought of
you, and the hundreds of people whose lives have been transformed by
your blog and your teas and many other things. I thought they probably
couldn't find a church big enough.
11:47 PM me: interesting. but still, here i am. alone. and honestly, dave, there's no one who would notice
at least for a few days
because i don't talk or see anyone DAILY
and for the record?
i'd show up
11:48 PM David:
yeah, well that's true for almost anyone who lives alone and works for
themselves. But I hear the sadness behind your words. I get it, and I
know it's scary. It's one of the fears I have about living by myself.
Thank you for saying you'd show up.
me: why did geoff laughton leave cornerstones?
11:49 PM and there is a lot of sadness
i don't like being alone
David: a combination of politics and turning 50 and wanting to do something else.
me: oh
11:50 PM David: have you thought any more about getting a housemate? That might help
me: we'll see. my house needs to be livable before i get a housemate
11:51 PM David:
Yeah, I guess... Wondering... do you even want suggestions from me? Or
just to be heard? I feel like sometimes my suggestions aren't really
helpful.
11:52 PM me: I don't know what I want. To be truthful and honest and answer you from my heart.
David: yeah, me too.
11:53 PM I should go to bed. I only got 6 hours of sleep last night.
me: why???
that's all i ever seem to get these days
David: I'm sorry about the throwing up. I really do hope that stops. and the seizures.
me: the seizure was at least at night
while i was on the couch with the dogs
David: Just couldn't fall asleep easily, and then I woke up early because of some noise outside
me: oh.
11:54 PM
12:03 AM me: i do want to apologize for being such a mess
i want to be supportive of you
12:04 AM and not just be this blubbering mess every time i try to talk to you
but my heart is just so sad
broken, really. it feels broken
David: thank you for being conscious of that, and it's okay. I want to be here for you if I can.
me: like today i was at a store and there was all this valentines stuff
12:05 AM and i got so overwhelmed
it was hard enough dealing with your birthday
and solstice
and we didn't even really acknowledge valentines
and yet...there i was getting emotional!
12:06 AM David: :) I understand. Valentines day is hard.
I'm probably going to just grab a book and ignore it.
it's just a hallmark holliday anyway.
;)
me: yes, that's what we both always said
but still, i got myself into a mess today
12:07 AM over a stupid hallmark holiday
and now i'm crying, of course.
this should NOT be so hard
12:08 AM David: should and shouldn't is hard to deal with. it is what it is.
but
maybe there's some way you can give yourself a breather. it seems like
you start to heal and then the wound gets opened again.
12:09 AM I'm sure I'm not helping in that regard.
I just am trying to be supportive
me: what do you mean you're not helping in that regard?
i was told it takes 3 - 5 years to truly heal from a divorce
12:10 AM and, well, it took me over 3 years to truly heal when greg and i ended our relationship
David: with things like the IM yesterday, I didn't mean to open things up so much.
I want to be truthful, though, as best I can
12:11 AM me: i think it is only fair that we be as truthful and honest as we both can be
and that we're not serving ourselves or our relationship (whatever that is going to be) if we're not
David: yes, I agree
me: i think we have to take care of ourselves
really
12:12 AM because we've both taken care of the other for a long time
and that didn't work so well
12:13 AM David:
I know the result feels like a total disaster to you right now. But
there were many times when it did work well, and I'm grateful you were
there.
12:14 AM me: i should try to go to bed
12:15 AM but i'm so cold
David: yes, me too.
me: maybe i'll take a shower
David: me too :)
that's a great idea
me: you're cold/
David: yes. it was sunny here today, but I'm getting the sense that this house will never be warm, even in the middle of summer.
me: oh
how's hal??
12:16 AM is he warm enough?
David: But I finally got Matt to bring me the space heater we loaned them. So hopefully that will help.
Hal is doing great. I actually did some research and found out that we were keeping the tank a little on the warm side for him.
He likes it about 70, and we were at about 76.
me: oh.
12:17 AM i could use that space heater
David: I guess he's doing great. He's alive anyway.
me: that's not a bad idea, actually
for my bedroom
at least
David: yeah.
me: i don't know
i'm terrified to get my gas bill this month
David: I think just having one room in the house whereyou can get warm makes all the difference
12:18 AM me: i keep the house at 60. or less
but i'm still scard
scared
because the heater is running ALL THE TIME
12:19 AM David: I think the landlord misrepresented the house quite a bit. I really hope that she makes up for it somehow.
me: i put that in my letter
that there's no insulation
and that with the heating bills
my rent is far more than reasonable
12:20 AM so we'll see.
David: okay. well, go take a shower. Maybe I'll do the same.
me: okay.
12:21 AM that guy who wrote me yesterday
David: I'll talk to you later. I hope you have a good night's sleep
me: he wrote more stuff today that was REALLY mean
it was horrible
David: can you just filter him to trash automatically?
me: i think i can figure that out
i also can just hit delete
before reading it
but the damage is already done
12:22 AM David: the last thing you need right now is some asshole with a social problem giving you grief
not that you ever need that...
me: i get lots of mean email, but this was really AWFUL
i know it is a risk i take
David: well, just be glad you're not living with that in your head. people like that don't go to hell, they live there already.
12:23 AM me: by being naked on the internet
obviously, i'm aware of this
so yeah, i know i invite it
but some people are just really mean
and as i say...
mean people suck
12:24 AM David:
I've never bought into that "she was wearing a short skirt, so she was
asking to be raped" argument. Just because you're expressing yourself
that way doesn't mean you're inviting anything of the sort. And yes,
mean people suck.
me: thank you for saying that.
thank you for just, well, everything
12:25 AM David: you're welcome. thank you too.
we'll get through this.
me: i hope so.
i'm trying. i really am.
David: I know.
12:26 AM I think you can be easier on yourself.
me: i'm not sure i can, dave.
i'm me.
David: :)
12:27 AM okay. well I wish you well tonight.
me: thanks.
i'll talk to you soon
David: sounds good
me: bye.
David: bye bye